Booting without xorg running mint 17.1 cinnamon
Eric Gunther
egunther at warwick.net
Wed Oct 7 20:06:03 PDT 2015
On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 17:47 -0600, David wrote:
> I actually just got it installed and working, although in a totally
> accidental way that may not be ideal. I decided to try installing one
> of the drivers from the repo even though I hadn't had success with
> them before. I got nvidia-current via the cube program, installed it,
> rebooted and it crashed cinnamon. As soon as cinnamon was down
> ctrl-alt-f3 would get the command line running, which then let me run
> sudo service mdm stop without getting a blank screen. So I just went
> ahead and ran the package from nvidia and rebooted and everything
> looks good. It's not running in software rendering, and it's
> supporting dual monitors which was one of the big things I wanted from
> the card! I'm sure there's some better way to close cinnamon and run
> whatever GUI is in place for the fallback but it seems like maybe
> cinnamon was more of the trouble then mdm?
> Thanks for all the help though!
GREAT
>
> On Oct 7, 2015 2:27 PM, "Eric Gunther" <egunther at warwick.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 14:18 -0600, David wrote:
> > OK, any idea how to get the menu to select not opt ions? I only got
> > it to bit into a grub menu once and it did flash something but it was
> > so fast I didn't even get to read anything in it.
>
> On my OpenSUSE computer space bar will do it.
>
> > I believe that was by pressing del on the bios screen (gives options
> > to select boot drive, sys settings, sys info; while it displays the
> > motherboards logo) most of the mint resources say shift should give
> > that option but it doesn't do anything for me, and that I know I
> > haven't changed (especially because it's a fresh install and the only
> > option I've changed is to not lock the screen when it sleeps)
>
>
> >
> > On Oct 7, 2015 12:31 PM, "Eric Gunther" <egunther at warwick.net> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 09:16 -0600, David wrote:
> > > the full name of the driver is
> > NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-352.41.run
> > > i did try the nvidia support and they were not very helpful,
> > they said
> > > i had to contact the actual card manufacturer (evga), who
> > said i had
> > > to contact nvidia.... i looked through some of the nvidia
> > forums and
> > > they didn't have anything that was helpful.
> > > it is mate display manager, although it is running in
> > cinnamon. i
> > > double checked because there were several others depending
> > on distro
> > > (lightdm, kdm) but mine does in fact have mdm by default.
> >
> > OK
> >
> > > ill look at virtual terminals for mate, would that have x
> > stopped
> > > though?
> >
> > I don't think it would have stopped X but uses another virtual
> > terminal.
> >
> > > all of my f keys (2-7) result in a blank screen, f8 will
> > switch back
> > > and forth from the blank screen (the others will not switch
> > back). i
> > > don't recall off the top of my head if there was anything
> > with the
> > > keys above f8 but nothing that seemed any different or i'm
> > sure i
> > > would remember.
> >
> > OK
> >
> > > graphics is one of the things that doesn't make sense to
> > me
> > > sometimes, so when it comes to things like framebuffer i'm
> > lost. if i
> > > know where to look to find out what it needs to be, and
> > where it needs
> > > to be changed to make that happen i can usually handle that.
> > anything
> > > more and i'm at a loss though.
> >
> > It is complicated. although as I mentioned before...
> >
> >
> > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/index.html
> >
> > this might be a place to look.
> >
> > > i also read that shift, esc, or del can gain access to boot
> > options
> > > while on the bios screen but the only thing i was able to
> > get (once,
> > > and not since then) was a grub> command line that i don't
> > know how to
> > > get around in.
> > >
> >
> > OK, Try what Thomas has said because he is far more
> > knowledgeable than
> > I:
> >
> > ----------------------------
> >
> > Do not mess around with files in /boot!
> >
> > What you want to do is on the grub screen (where you can pick
> > the OS to
> > start)
> > a) stop the timer ;-)
> > b) select the Linux Mint entry
> > c) "[e]dit" it (this depends a bit on the grub setup, but
> > usually
> > there's either a selectable "button" or you just press "e"
> > d) append " 1" (nothing else)
> > e) (b)oot that command.
> >
> > This should really get you into runlevel 1, ie. a root
> > (text)shell
> >
> > Runlevel 1 is a boot directly into a rootshell (no GUI, no
> > network - but
> > you can start either by hand), 3 is the CLI login (which will
> > likely not
> > work because this very interesting distro doesn't seem to
> > install
> > a/getty) and 5 is the GUI login.
> >
> > I'd also say that you should rather seek advise in a Mint
> > forum, since
> > the problem seems to be specific to that distro.
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------
> >
> >
> > Also sorry to clog up the list.
> >
> >
> > E
> >
> >
> > > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Eric Gunther
> > <egunther at warwick.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 07:08 -0600, David wrote:
> > > > I downloaded nvidia 352.41 and am keeping my
> > fingers crossed
> > > it'll
> > > > work last time I had to try several of the drivers
> > before I
> > > found one
> > > > that did the trick. I've tried ctrl-alt-f3 but it
> > just
> > > gives a blank
> > > > screen and alt-f3 doesn't seem to do anything, I
> > tried
> > > > ctrl-alt-backspace and it just returned me to the
> > login.
> > > You're
> > > > totally right about editing grub, it killed it and
> > I ended
> > > up fighting
> > > > with it to reinstall mint last night. I'm not
> > sure if
> > > there's some
> > > > other setting that's not working with the
> > ctrl-alt-
> > > commands. I've
> > > > read something's that say I may need to edit
> > default screen
> > > resolution
> > > > for it to be w able to display that but none of
> > them said
> > > anything
> > > > about what resolution or how to find a resolution
> > that works
> > > > Thanks
> > > > David
> > > >
> > >
> > > OK, just off the top of my head, did you wait a bit
> > after CTRL
> > > ALT F3,
> > > and try other ones too, in fact try them all and see
> > what you
> > > come up
> > > with. I see that you (with the command mdm) and
> > searching are
> > > running
> > > MATE? on mint? Is cinnamon a variation of the mate
> > desktop,
> > > where mdm
> > > might stand for Mate Desktop Manager. I know
> > little about
> > > either of
> > > these although, you may want to search for "virtual
> > terminals
> > > on mate"
> > > or "single user mode on mint" to get closer to what
> > you are
> > > looking for.
> > >
> > > I see that mint is based on debian and Ubuntu. You
> > might want
> > > to try
> > > help from either of those places as they have a
> > reputation for
> > > support.
> > > I can only guess that the resolution is about
> > framebuffer
> > > cases... where
> > > one can have graphics on the terminal, *I think*.
> > This may be
> > > necessary
> > > to use the CTRL ALT F3 command as I am confident
> > that OpenSUSE
> > > has such
> > > a setup.
> > >
> > > Also, nvidia has support as well. What is the
> > actual name of
> > > the driver
> > > that you downloaded though? For instance,
> > >
> > > NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-352.41.run
> > >
> > >
> > > E
> > >
> > >
> > > > On Oct 7, 2015 6:42 AM, "Eric Gunther"
> > > <egunther at warwick.net> wrote:
> > > > On Tue, 2015-10-06 at 18:06 -0600, David
> > wrote:
> > > > > OK, so I guess this is a different way
> > of askinga
> > > question
> > > > I've been
> > > > > wrestling with for a few days now. I
> > need to
> > > install a
> > > > driver
> > > > > downloaded from nvidia, which when run
> > tells me to
> > > stop
> > > > xserver and
> > > > > try running again. I've tried several
> > commands
> > > but haven't
> > > > had any
> > > > > success this time. I installed the
> > driver once
> > > before with
> > > > the sudo
> > > > > service mdm stop command but this time
> > it also
> > > results in a
> > > > blank
> > > > > screen.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I have had success with sudo init 3, after
> > logging
> > > out --> ALT
> > > > F3 (or
> > > > any F key below 5) to get to a command
> > line in
> > > OpenSUSE. As
> > > > far as I
> > > > know, init 5 is X while init 6 is reboot.
> > Init 1,2,3
> > > *I think*
> > > > are
> > > > appropriate for installing nvidia driver.
> > That is
> > > the ".run"
> > > > driver file.
> > > > Where one would issue the command "sudo sh
> > > > nvidia_driver_name.run" to run
> > > > it.
> > > >
> > > > The ALT F3 is to change virtual terminals
> > on the
> > > computer,
> > > > where the gui
> > > > inhabits 6 or 7 on this OpenSUSE machine
> > and a text
> > > line login
> > > > is on a few
> > > > of the others, while logging information
> > is on
> > > others yet.
> > > > There are 12
> > > > Function keys. I think this can be
> > configured and
> > > so may be
> > > > specific to a
> > > > distribution.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > So my thought now is to find a way to
> > boot
> > > directly into a
> > > > command
> > > > > line without xserver starting in the
> > first place,
> > > I've read
> > > > that there
> > > > > are options to edit /boot/grub/grub.Cfg
> > and edit a
> > > line so
> > > > that it
> > > > > goes something like boot..... quiet
> > splash text.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Personally, I would not edit grub cfg to
> > do this. I
> > > have a a
> > > > lot of
> > > > missteps when I work on the computer and
> > that would
> > > cause undo
> > > > complication. I think that often there is
> > a ESC
> > > command or
> > > > F10 or
> > > > something while booting. I think you may
> > find this
> > > on the
> > > > nvidia site
> > > > (they have an extensive manual/reference
> > section for
> > > the CUDA
> > > > toolset at
> > > > least and I think that they often do have
> > good
> > > reference)
> > > > this may be a start:
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/index.html
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The result of this was finally that I
> > had to use
> > > my
> > > > install disk to
> > > > > be able to get back into terminal so I
> > could
> > > revert the file
> > > > back to
> > > > > it's original setting. I've read that
> > there are
> > > ways to set
> > > > it to run
> > > > > at default 'run levels' 0-6 with some of
> > them
> > > running
> > > > without x
> > > > > loading, but I don't feel like I
> > understand at all
> > > where to
> > > > change
> > > > > that or which run levels do what. So
> > I'd really
> > > appreciate
> > > > it if
> > > > > anyone knows how and where to edit run
> > levels to
> > > boot
> > > > without x
> > > > > starting I'd really appreciate it, or
> > any other
> > > ways to stop
> > > > x and be
> > > > > able to install the driver. I still
> > have no
> > > internet so
> > > > anything that
> > > > > requires Internet access is out for me.
> > > > > Thanks for any advice
> > > > > David
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I think* that one can exit X with the key
> > > combination CTRL ALT
> > > > BACKSPACE, although I think this may be
> > disabled in
> > > some
> > > > distributions ...
> > > > or X just restarts at that point.
> > > >
> > > > Which Nvidia driver did you download?
> > Specifically
> > > which file
> > > > extension?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Have a good day,
> > > >
> > > > E
> > > >
> > > >
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