Booting without xorg running mint 17.1 cinnamon
Eric Gunther
egunther at warwick.net
Wed Oct 7 13:27:58 PDT 2015
On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 14:18 -0600, David wrote:
> OK, any idea how to get the menu to select not opt ions? I only got
> it to bit into a grub menu once and it did flash something but it was
> so fast I didn't even get to read anything in it.
On my OpenSUSE computer space bar will do it.
> I believe that was by pressing del on the bios screen (gives options
> to select boot drive, sys settings, sys info; while it displays the
> motherboards logo) most of the mint resources say shift should give
> that option but it doesn't do anything for me, and that I know I
> haven't changed (especially because it's a fresh install and the only
> option I've changed is to not lock the screen when it sleeps)
>
> On Oct 7, 2015 12:31 PM, "Eric Gunther" <egunther at warwick.net> wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 09:16 -0600, David wrote:
> > the full name of the driver is
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-352.41.run
> > i did try the nvidia support and they were not very helpful,
> they said
> > i had to contact the actual card manufacturer (evga), who
> said i had
> > to contact nvidia.... i looked through some of the nvidia
> forums and
> > they didn't have anything that was helpful.
> > it is mate display manager, although it is running in
> cinnamon. i
> > double checked because there were several others depending
> on distro
> > (lightdm, kdm) but mine does in fact have mdm by default.
>
> OK
>
> > ill look at virtual terminals for mate, would that have x
> stopped
> > though?
>
> I don't think it would have stopped X but uses another virtual
> terminal.
>
> > all of my f keys (2-7) result in a blank screen, f8 will
> switch back
> > and forth from the blank screen (the others will not switch
> back). i
> > don't recall off the top of my head if there was anything
> with the
> > keys above f8 but nothing that seemed any different or i'm
> sure i
> > would remember.
>
> OK
>
> > graphics is one of the things that doesn't make sense to
> me
> > sometimes, so when it comes to things like framebuffer i'm
> lost. if i
> > know where to look to find out what it needs to be, and
> where it needs
> > to be changed to make that happen i can usually handle that.
> anything
> > more and i'm at a loss though.
>
> It is complicated. although as I mentioned before...
>
>
> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/index.html
>
> this might be a place to look.
>
> > i also read that shift, esc, or del can gain access to boot
> options
> > while on the bios screen but the only thing i was able to
> get (once,
> > and not since then) was a grub> command line that i don't
> know how to
> > get around in.
> >
>
> OK, Try what Thomas has said because he is far more
> knowledgeable than
> I:
>
> ----------------------------
>
> Do not mess around with files in /boot!
>
> What you want to do is on the grub screen (where you can pick
> the OS to
> start)
> a) stop the timer ;-)
> b) select the Linux Mint entry
> c) "[e]dit" it (this depends a bit on the grub setup, but
> usually
> there's either a selectable "button" or you just press "e"
> d) append " 1" (nothing else)
> e) (b)oot that command.
>
> This should really get you into runlevel 1, ie. a root
> (text)shell
>
> Runlevel 1 is a boot directly into a rootshell (no GUI, no
> network - but
> you can start either by hand), 3 is the CLI login (which will
> likely not
> work because this very interesting distro doesn't seem to
> install
> a/getty) and 5 is the GUI login.
>
> I'd also say that you should rather seek advise in a Mint
> forum, since
> the problem seems to be specific to that distro.
>
> Thomas
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
>
> Also sorry to clog up the list.
>
>
> E
>
>
> > On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Eric Gunther
> <egunther at warwick.net>
> > wrote:
> > On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 07:08 -0600, David wrote:
> > > I downloaded nvidia 352.41 and am keeping my
> fingers crossed
> > it'll
> > > work last time I had to try several of the drivers
> before I
> > found one
> > > that did the trick. I've tried ctrl-alt-f3 but it
> just
> > gives a blank
> > > screen and alt-f3 doesn't seem to do anything, I
> tried
> > > ctrl-alt-backspace and it just returned me to the
> login.
> > You're
> > > totally right about editing grub, it killed it and
> I ended
> > up fighting
> > > with it to reinstall mint last night. I'm not
> sure if
> > there's some
> > > other setting that's not working with the
> ctrl-alt-
> > commands. I've
> > > read something's that say I may need to edit
> default screen
> > resolution
> > > for it to be w able to display that but none of
> them said
> > anything
> > > about what resolution or how to find a resolution
> that works
> > > Thanks
> > > David
> > >
> >
> > OK, just off the top of my head, did you wait a bit
> after CTRL
> > ALT F3,
> > and try other ones too, in fact try them all and see
> what you
> > come up
> > with. I see that you (with the command mdm) and
> searching are
> > running
> > MATE? on mint? Is cinnamon a variation of the mate
> desktop,
> > where mdm
> > might stand for Mate Desktop Manager. I know
> little about
> > either of
> > these although, you may want to search for "virtual
> terminals
> > on mate"
> > or "single user mode on mint" to get closer to what
> you are
> > looking for.
> >
> > I see that mint is based on debian and Ubuntu. You
> might want
> > to try
> > help from either of those places as they have a
> reputation for
> > support.
> > I can only guess that the resolution is about
> framebuffer
> > cases... where
> > one can have graphics on the terminal, *I think*.
> This may be
> > necessary
> > to use the CTRL ALT F3 command as I am confident
> that OpenSUSE
> > has such
> > a setup.
> >
> > Also, nvidia has support as well. What is the
> actual name of
> > the driver
> > that you downloaded though? For instance,
> >
> > NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-352.41.run
> >
> >
> > E
> >
> >
> > > On Oct 7, 2015 6:42 AM, "Eric Gunther"
> > <egunther at warwick.net> wrote:
> > > On Tue, 2015-10-06 at 18:06 -0600, David
> wrote:
> > > > OK, so I guess this is a different way
> of askinga
> > question
> > > I've been
> > > > wrestling with for a few days now. I
> need to
> > install a
> > > driver
> > > > downloaded from nvidia, which when run
> tells me to
> > stop
> > > xserver and
> > > > try running again. I've tried several
> commands
> > but haven't
> > > had any
> > > > success this time. I installed the
> driver once
> > before with
> > > the sudo
> > > > service mdm stop command but this time
> it also
> > results in a
> > > blank
> > > > screen.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have had success with sudo init 3, after
> logging
> > out --> ALT
> > > F3 (or
> > > any F key below 5) to get to a command
> line in
> > OpenSUSE. As
> > > far as I
> > > know, init 5 is X while init 6 is reboot.
> Init 1,2,3
> > *I think*
> > > are
> > > appropriate for installing nvidia driver.
> That is
> > the ".run"
> > > driver file.
> > > Where one would issue the command "sudo sh
> > > nvidia_driver_name.run" to run
> > > it.
> > >
> > > The ALT F3 is to change virtual terminals
> on the
> > computer,
> > > where the gui
> > > inhabits 6 or 7 on this OpenSUSE machine
> and a text
> > line login
> > > is on a few
> > > of the others, while logging information
> is on
> > others yet.
> > > There are 12
> > > Function keys. I think this can be
> configured and
> > so may be
> > > specific to a
> > > distribution.
> > >
> > >
> > > > So my thought now is to find a way to
> boot
> > directly into a
> > > command
> > > > line without xserver starting in the
> first place,
> > I've read
> > > that there
> > > > are options to edit /boot/grub/grub.Cfg
> and edit a
> > line so
> > > that it
> > > > goes something like boot..... quiet
> splash text.
> > >
> > >
> > > Personally, I would not edit grub cfg to
> do this. I
> > have a a
> > > lot of
> > > missteps when I work on the computer and
> that would
> > cause undo
> > > complication. I think that often there is
> a ESC
> > command or
> > > F10 or
> > > something while booting. I think you may
> find this
> > on the
> > > nvidia site
> > > (they have an extensive manual/reference
> section for
> > the CUDA
> > > toolset at
> > > least and I think that they often do have
> good
> > reference)
> > > this may be a start:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/index.html
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > The result of this was finally that I
> had to use
> > my
> > > install disk to
> > > > be able to get back into terminal so I
> could
> > revert the file
> > > back to
> > > > it's original setting. I've read that
> there are
> > ways to set
> > > it to run
> > > > at default 'run levels' 0-6 with some of
> them
> > running
> > > without x
> > > > loading, but I don't feel like I
> understand at all
> > where to
> > > change
> > > > that or which run levels do what. So
> I'd really
> > appreciate
> > > it if
> > > > anyone knows how and where to edit run
> levels to
> > boot
> > > without x
> > > > starting I'd really appreciate it, or
> any other
> > ways to stop
> > > x and be
> > > > able to install the driver. I still
> have no
> > internet so
> > > anything that
> > > > requires Internet access is out for me.
> > > > Thanks for any advice
> > > > David
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > I think* that one can exit X with the key
> > combination CTRL ALT
> > > BACKSPACE, although I think this may be
> disabled in
> > some
> > > distributions ...
> > > or X just restarts at that point.
> > >
> > > Which Nvidia driver did you download?
> Specifically
> > which file
> > > extension?
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Have a good day,
> > >
> > > E
> > >
> > >
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