maybe xorg server?: gnome is not starting without a screen connected?

Tue Mar 14 18:13:00 UTC 2017

Hi,

I will see what i will find out.
though i guess i might connect a screen during install and maybe after 
that it might remember those settings.

greetings,
simon

Am 12.03.2017 um 19:20 schrieb Eric Gunther:
> On Sat, 2017-03-11 at 23:20 +0100, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
>> Hi Eric,
>>
>> This is basically just a normal desktop pc.
>> it is headless because it has no screen.
>> a keyboard is connected though.
>>
>> on the arch wiki i read that this is a problem with auto configuring
>> the
>> screen.
>> the server can't find a screen on all graphics adapters so it seems
>> to hang.
>> but yeah we will see.
>> Maybe someone else can chime in here.
>>
>>
>> but i might call a gnome mailing list.
>> maybe someone there has an idea what to do.
>>
>> greetings,
>> Simon
>>
>> Am 11.03.2017 um 22:23 schrieb Eric Gunther:
>>> On Sat, 2017-03-11 at 20:26 +0100, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
>>>> Hi Eric,
>>>>
>>>> I understood before as well.
>>>> I tested Fedora, Ubuntu Gnome, OpenSUSE, Paldo, Debian Testing,
>>>> Manjaro
>>>> and some more i can't remember at the moment.
>>>>
>>>> Though i don't understand why the system should stop booting
>>>> without
>>>> a
>>>> screen connected. Because a half booted machine doesn't make
>>>> sense.
>>>>
>>>> Screen auto detection isn't a bad thing but not booting is as
>>>> well.
>>>>
>>>> Greetings,
>>>> Simon
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 11.03.2017 um 19:44 schrieb Eric Gunther:
>>>>> On Sat, 2017-03-11 at 19:11 +0100, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Eric and all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I guess we need to get that implemented into the server
>>>>>> itself.
>>>>>> Because contacting all the distros might be to difficult.
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> might
>>>>>> be
>>>>>> a workaround but i think we need to get that fixed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 11.03.2017 um 14:06 schrieb Eric Gunther:
>>>>>>> On Fri, 2017-03-10 at 20:52 +0100, Simon Eigeldinger wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I am a blind person from austria.
>>>>>>>> I am using the computer often without a screen.
>>>>>>>> I figured out on many distros there are issues with the
>>>>>>>> desktop
>>>>>>>> without
>>>>>>>> a screen.
>>>>>>>> Seems the desktop isn't coming up when no screen is
>>>>>>>> connected?
>>>>>>>> I read in the arch wiki that this is caused by the screen
>>>>>>>> auto
>>>>>>>> config
>>>>>>>> function of the server.
>>>>>>>> can that be worked around?
>>>>>>>> I wanted to install a system on a machine but the live
>>>>>>>> dvd
>>>>>>>> seems
>>>>>>>> not
>>>>>>>> to
>>>>>>>> come up because of this.
>>>>>>>> Is there something i can specify at boot? for example
>>>>>>>> some
>>>>>>>> parameters
>>>>>>>> i
>>>>>>>> can enter at the boot menu?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For people using no screen this is pretty frustrating.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> greetings and thanks for helping,
>>>>>>>> Simon
>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> As a somewhat amature user of X, I spent some time last
>>>>>>> night
>>>>>>> looking
>>>>>>> at info on this.  I think you want a 'headless' setup.
>>>>>>>  Although in
>>>>>>> your case I am not sure this is appropriate.  Often people
>>>>>>> will
>>>>>>> login
>>>>>>> to a machine like this over the internet via ssh.  So you
>>>>>>> need
>>>>>>> another
>>>>>>> computer to login to the 'headless' one.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What I found is that you probably have to modify xorg.conf
>>>>>>> or
>>>>>>> 10
>>>>>>> -monitor.conf in the /etc/X11/ and /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/
>>>>>>> directories
>>>>>>> respectively.  This does not seem like a good soultion,
>>>>>>> particularly in
>>>>>>> the case of a liveDVD.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I think the best solution would be to email a maintainer of
>>>>>>> the
>>>>>>> liveDVD
>>>>>>> or support for the distribution that your trying to use,
>>>>>>> whether it
>>>>>>> be
>>>>>>>  forum, mailing list, or irc(chat).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Have a good day,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> eg
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>>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Simon,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I think you may have misunderstood.  The proper (As far as I
>>>>> know)
>>>>> way
>>>>> to set up when having dificulties is with the configuration
>>>>> files.
>>>>>  As
>>>>> far as contacting all the distros, I was going to ask;  which
>>>>> liveDVD
>>>>> are you trying to run?  In any event I was saying that you
>>>>> should
>>>>> probably talk to the maintainer/support/community of that*
>>>>> distro.
>>>>>  Also I think it is unlikely, but probably not impossible, to
>>>>> issue
>>>>> parameters at boot that will assist you.
>>>>>
>>>>> Greetings,
>>>>>
>>>>> Eric Gunther
>>>>> _______________________________________________
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>>>>
>>>
>>> Hi Simon,
>>>
>>> I am a desktop opensuse user and I believe they have a very
>>> supportive
>>> community, I'm not involved but that has been my impression.
>>>
>>> a quick search led me here:
>>> https://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse/2009-11/msg00383.html
>>>
>>> which I think is related.
>>>
>>> furthermore this may help:
>>>
>>> https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Communication_channels
>>>
>>> Honestly, I think its a bit quirky that a system wont work without
>>> a
>>> monitor but I have to point out initially you said that it would
>>> not
>>> get to the desktop.  So it is booting fine presumably.  The command
>>> line interface is usefull for many tasks.
>>>
>>> Since you mention screen auto detection, I have seen mention of
>>> saving
>>> a file with EDID info in it.
>>>
>>> another quick search and take this for example:
>>>
>>>  http://kodi.wiki/view/Creating_and_using_edid.bin_via_xorg.conf
>>>
>>> All of this though requires some sort of configuration, either from
>>> the
>>> command line or from a text editor ( I think ).  As I mentioned
>>> before
>>> the common case is that people will login to a headless machine via
>>> ssh.  This can come with additional difficulties.
>>>
>>>
>>> "half a booted machine doesn't make sense"
>>>
>>> Thing is that your computer is telling you the same thing.
>>>
>>> "that might be a workaround but i think we need to get that fixed."
>>>
>>> You may have some luck at this mailing list or other xorg mailing
>>> lists
>>> as well, I really don't know.  From my end though, this is not
>>> something I am capable of.
>>>
>>> here may help:
>>>
>>> https://www.x.org/wiki/XorgMailingLists/
>>>
>>>
>>> good luck and,
>>>
>>> Have a good day,
>>>
>>> eg
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>>
> Hi Simon,
>
>
> That is what I understand.  I think getting the monitor info is what is
> making the computer not work, yes.  I did look at the kernel boot
> parameters somewhat and I know that "nomodeset" is a commonly used one
> for monitor/display issues.
>
> Also, just a thought, this may help
> "The purpose of BLINUX project is to improve usability of the LINUX
> operating system for the user who is blind"
>
> http://www.leb.net/blinux/
>
>
> Have a good day,
>
> eg
>
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