Booting without xorg running mint 17.1 cinnamon
Eric Gunther
egunther at warwick.net
Wed Oct 7 11:35:23 PDT 2015
On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 09:16 -0600, David wrote:
> the full name of the driver is NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-352.41.run
> i did try the nvidia support and they were not very helpful, they said
> i had to contact the actual card manufacturer (evga), who said i had
> to contact nvidia.... i looked through some of the nvidia forums and
> they didn't have anything that was helpful.
> it is mate display manager, although it is running in cinnamon. i
> double checked because there were several others depending on distro
> (lightdm, kdm) but mine does in fact have mdm by default.
OK
> ill look at virtual terminals for mate, would that have x stopped
> though?
I don't think it would have stopped X but uses another virtual terminal.
> all of my f keys (2-7) result in a blank screen, f8 will switch back
> and forth from the blank screen (the others will not switch back). i
> don't recall off the top of my head if there was anything with the
> keys above f8 but nothing that seemed any different or i'm sure i
> would remember.
OK
> graphics is one of the things that doesn't make sense to me
> sometimes, so when it comes to things like framebuffer i'm lost. if i
> know where to look to find out what it needs to be, and where it needs
> to be changed to make that happen i can usually handle that. anything
> more and i'm at a loss though.
It is complicated. although as I mentioned before...
http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/index.html
this might be a place to look.
> i also read that shift, esc, or del can gain access to boot options
> while on the bios screen but the only thing i was able to get (once,
> and not since then) was a grub> command line that i don't know how to
> get around in.
>
OK, Try what Thomas has said because he is far more knowledgeable than
I:
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Do not mess around with files in /boot!
What you want to do is on the grub screen (where you can pick the OS to
start)
a) stop the timer ;-)
b) select the Linux Mint entry
c) "[e]dit" it (this depends a bit on the grub setup, but usually
there's either a selectable "button" or you just press "e"
d) append " 1" (nothing else)
e) (b)oot that command.
This should really get you into runlevel 1, ie. a root (text)shell
Runlevel 1 is a boot directly into a rootshell (no GUI, no network - but
you can start either by hand), 3 is the CLI login (which will likely not
work because this very interesting distro doesn't seem to install
a/getty) and 5 is the GUI login.
I'd also say that you should rather seek advise in a Mint forum, since
the problem seems to be specific to that distro.
Thomas
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Also sorry to clog up the list.
E
> On Wed, Oct 7, 2015 at 8:05 AM, Eric Gunther <egunther at warwick.net>
> wrote:
> On Wed, 2015-10-07 at 07:08 -0600, David wrote:
> > I downloaded nvidia 352.41 and am keeping my fingers crossed
> it'll
> > work last time I had to try several of the drivers before I
> found one
> > that did the trick. I've tried ctrl-alt-f3 but it just
> gives a blank
> > screen and alt-f3 doesn't seem to do anything, I tried
> > ctrl-alt-backspace and it just returned me to the login.
> You're
> > totally right about editing grub, it killed it and I ended
> up fighting
> > with it to reinstall mint last night. I'm not sure if
> there's some
> > other setting that's not working with the ctrl-alt-
> commands. I've
> > read something's that say I may need to edit default screen
> resolution
> > for it to be w able to display that but none of them said
> anything
> > about what resolution or how to find a resolution that works
> > Thanks
> > David
> >
>
> OK, just off the top of my head, did you wait a bit after CTRL
> ALT F3,
> and try other ones too, in fact try them all and see what you
> come up
> with. I see that you (with the command mdm) and searching are
> running
> MATE? on mint? Is cinnamon a variation of the mate desktop,
> where mdm
> might stand for Mate Desktop Manager. I know little about
> either of
> these although, you may want to search for "virtual terminals
> on mate"
> or "single user mode on mint" to get closer to what you are
> looking for.
>
> I see that mint is based on debian and Ubuntu. You might want
> to try
> help from either of those places as they have a reputation for
> support.
> I can only guess that the resolution is about framebuffer
> cases... where
> one can have graphics on the terminal, *I think*. This may be
> necessary
> to use the CTRL ALT F3 command as I am confident that OpenSUSE
> has such
> a setup.
>
> Also, nvidia has support as well. What is the actual name of
> the driver
> that you downloaded though? For instance,
>
> NVIDIA-Linux-x86_64-352.41.run
>
>
> E
>
>
> > On Oct 7, 2015 6:42 AM, "Eric Gunther"
> <egunther at warwick.net> wrote:
> > On Tue, 2015-10-06 at 18:06 -0600, David wrote:
> > > OK, so I guess this is a different way of askinga
> question
> > I've been
> > > wrestling with for a few days now. I need to
> install a
> > driver
> > > downloaded from nvidia, which when run tells me to
> stop
> > xserver and
> > > try running again. I've tried several commands
> but haven't
> > had any
> > > success this time. I installed the driver once
> before with
> > the sudo
> > > service mdm stop command but this time it also
> results in a
> > blank
> > > screen.
> >
> >
> > I have had success with sudo init 3, after logging
> out --> ALT
> > F3 (or
> > any F key below 5) to get to a command line in
> OpenSUSE. As
> > far as I
> > know, init 5 is X while init 6 is reboot. Init 1,2,3
> *I think*
> > are
> > appropriate for installing nvidia driver. That is
> the ".run"
> > driver file.
> > Where one would issue the command "sudo sh
> > nvidia_driver_name.run" to run
> > it.
> >
> > The ALT F3 is to change virtual terminals on the
> computer,
> > where the gui
> > inhabits 6 or 7 on this OpenSUSE machine and a text
> line login
> > is on a few
> > of the others, while logging information is on
> others yet.
> > There are 12
> > Function keys. I think this can be configured and
> so may be
> > specific to a
> > distribution.
> >
> >
> > > So my thought now is to find a way to boot
> directly into a
> > command
> > > line without xserver starting in the first place,
> I've read
> > that there
> > > are options to edit /boot/grub/grub.Cfg and edit a
> line so
> > that it
> > > goes something like boot..... quiet splash text.
> >
> >
> > Personally, I would not edit grub cfg to do this. I
> have a a
> > lot of
> > missteps when I work on the computer and that would
> cause undo
> > complication. I think that often there is a ESC
> command or
> > F10 or
> > something while booting. I think you may find this
> on the
> > nvidia site
> > (they have an extensive manual/reference section for
> the CUDA
> > toolset at
> > least and I think that they often do have good
> reference)
> > this may be a start:
> >
> >
> http://us.download.nvidia.com/XFree86/Linux-x86/256.35/README/index.html
> >
> >
> >
> > > The result of this was finally that I had to use
> my
> > install disk to
> > > be able to get back into terminal so I could
> revert the file
> > back to
> > > it's original setting. I've read that there are
> ways to set
> > it to run
> > > at default 'run levels' 0-6 with some of them
> running
> > without x
> > > loading, but I don't feel like I understand at all
> where to
> > change
> > > that or which run levels do what. So I'd really
> appreciate
> > it if
> > > anyone knows how and where to edit run levels to
> boot
> > without x
> > > starting I'd really appreciate it, or any other
> ways to stop
> > x and be
> > > able to install the driver. I still have no
> internet so
> > anything that
> > > requires Internet access is out for me.
> > > Thanks for any advice
> > > David
> > >
> >
> >
> > I think* that one can exit X with the key
> combination CTRL ALT
> > BACKSPACE, although I think this may be disabled in
> some
> > distributions ...
> > or X just restarts at that point.
> >
> > Which Nvidia driver did you download? Specifically
> which file
> > extension?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Have a good day,
> >
> > E
> >
> >
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