[Fwd: xorg Digest, Vol 36, Issue 13]

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: radeon driver and DRI (Adam Jackson)
   2. Re: radeon driver and DRI (Florian Echtler)
   3. Re: [Patch] AllowEmptyInput with no ServerLayout (Sascha Hlusiak)
   4. Re: Tracing Xserver (Matthieu Herrb)
   5. Re: Further notes on 7.4 (R?mi Cardona)
   6. Re: Further notes on 7.4 (Thomas Dickey)
   7. XDMCP / hostname versus IP ? (Jean-Francois Bouchard)
   8. Re: error while running Xorg on ARM platform (Mikhail Gusarov)
   9. Re: Further notes on 7.4 (Alan Coopersmith)
  10. Re: [announce] libdrm 2.3.1 (Fatih A??c?)
  11. Re: Further notes on 7.4 (Joerg Sonnenberger)


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Message: 1
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 09:57:04 -0400
From: Adam Jackson <ajax at nwnk.net>
Subject: Re: radeon driver and DRI
To: Florian Echtler <floe at butterbrot.org>
Cc: xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
Message-ID: <1215007024.24769.177.camel at localhost.localdomain>
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On Wed, 2008-07-02 at 14:35 +0200, Florian Echtler wrote:

> ... and so on until card14. /dev/dri is really empty, although I have
> loaded the radeon and drm kernel modules. My kernel is 2.6.22, and the
> radeon driver is 6.9.0 ..

Your radeon DRM driver may not be new enough to support R500 chips.
What does 'dmesg | grep drm' say?

- ajax



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Message: 2
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:10:40 +0200
From: Florian Echtler <floe at butterbrot.org>
Subject: Re: radeon driver and DRI
To: Adam Jackson <ajax at nwnk.net>
Cc: xorg <xorg at lists.freedesktop.org>
Message-ID: <1215007840.10133.9.camel at pancake>
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> > ... and so on until card14. /dev/dri is really empty, although I have
> > loaded the radeon and drm kernel modules. My kernel is 2.6.22, and the
> > radeon driver is 6.9.0 ..
> Your radeon DRM driver may not be new enough to support R500 chips.
> What does 'dmesg | grep drm' say?
[drm] Initialized drm 1.1.0 20060810
[drm] Module unloaded

Okay, I'm convinced :-) I'll get a more recent kernel..

Thanks, Yours, Florian
-- 
0666 - Filemode of the Beast



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Message: 3
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 16:15:04 +0200
From: Sascha Hlusiak <saschahlusiak at arcor.de>
Subject: Re: [Patch] AllowEmptyInput with no ServerLayout
To: Peter Hutterer <peter.hutterer at who-t.net>
Cc: xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
Message-ID: <200807021615.10075.saschahlusiak at arcor.de>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-15"

> > when not using a layout section in xorg.conf, the function
> > checkCoreInputDevices is called too early, when option AllowEmptyInput
> > has not been parsed, so I end up with the default keyboard and default
> > pointer being added.
> > 
> > The function checkCoreInputDevices is called later anyway so I felt free 
> > to remove the call in configImpliedLayout.
>
> In master, checkCoreInputDevices was only called in configImpliedLayout
> (was removed ages ago). This patch applies your changes and resurrects
> checkInput. AllowEmptyInput is enabled if AutoAddDevices and
> AutoEnableDevices is enabled, otherwise it's disabled.
I'm pleased indeed. My patch was against xorg-server-1.4.99.905, where I 
noticed that behaviour. Chance of a backport of your patch?

Thanks,
Sascha

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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 16:50:04 +0200
From: Matthieu Herrb <matthieu.herrb at laas.fr>
Subject: Re: Tracing Xserver
To: Mohan Parthasarathy <suruti94 at gmail.com>
Cc: xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
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Mohan Parthasarathy wrote:
> Curious, is this possible ?
> 
> thanks
> mohan
> 
> 
> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:24 PM, Mohan Parthasarathy <suruti94 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:suruti94 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
>     Hi,
> 
>     Is there a way to trace the functioning of Xserver possibly at
>     different levels like Terse, Verbose, some
>     specific subsystems like DRI, EXA etc. Besides being a useful
>     debugging tool, it would also be useful
>     to understand different parts of the code interact.

the XFree86 DDX provides log functions with a verbosity level. Most 
drivers implement some DEBUG code that can be enabled to get more 
output... But all of this it not done in a coherent manner, and the 
messages may be difficult to understand by someone else than the 
original developper.

The best approach to tracing the X server would be DTrace on Solaris. 
Sun has already contributed some code  to help tracing X, and you may be 
able to improve it to analyse the specific points you're interested in.
-- 
Matthieu Herrb


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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 17:11:10 +0200
From: R?mi Cardona <remi at gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: Further notes on 7.4
To: xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
Message-ID: <486B9A8E.10907 at gentoo.org>
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Dan Nicholson a ?crit :
> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/metacity/trunk/configure.in?view=markup
> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-control-center/trunk/configure.in?view=markup
> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-keyring-manager/trunk/configure.ac?view=markup
> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-mag/trunk/configure.in?view=markup
> http://svn.gnome.org/viewvc/gnome-screensaver/trunk/configure.ac?view=markup

Fair enough, I was wrong :)

> It has to be, after all,
> since Xorg isn't the only X implementation, but it is the only one
> that uses pkg-config.

Is there anyone out there on "recent" systems that doesn't use Xorg 
libraries? I mean, even OSX ships Xorg Xlib (with .pc files). I'm not 
sure about Solaris, with their Xsun server, if it had its own 
implementation of the client-side libs... has this changed with recent 
Solaris versions?

Would it be advisable to tell all those packages to use only pkg-config, 
ie through a formal deprecation of the AC_PATH_X macros?

Just wondering.

Thanks

-- 
R?mi Cardona
LRI, INRIA
remi.cardona at lri.fr
remi at gentoo.org


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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 11:22:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Thomas Dickey <dickey at his.com>
Subject: Re: Further notes on 7.4
To: R?mi Cardona <remi at gentoo.org>
Cc: xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
Message-ID: <20080702112109.U98349 at mail101.his.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, R?mi Cardona wrote:

> Would it be advisable to tell all those packages to use only pkg-config,
> ie through a formal deprecation of the AC_PATH_X macros?

That's the same as advising people to not support programs on anything
except the latest desktop-scrapings.

-- 
Thomas E. Dickey
http://invisible-island.net
ftp://invisible-island.net

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Message: 7
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 10:59:12 -0400
From: Jean-Francois Bouchard <jean-francois.bouchard at idilia.com>
Subject: XDMCP / hostname versus IP ?
To: xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
Message-ID: <486B97C0.9040702 at idilia.com>
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Hello !

I am in the process of populating a base image aimed for cloning, a
"thin client". We use a recent Xorg  (Ubuntu 8.04 updated,
1.4.1~git20080131-1ubuntu9.2) that contain features that we need
(xrandr, latest video driver, dual screen support). Everything works
great.

Our problem : hostname. We like to keep thing very simple (we got
mixed architecture here. Making change to the fat server (host) is not
a very good idea. I like to set the thin client hostname to localhost.
Problem ? The fat server try to talk via hostname to the machine.


I like to know if, on the thin client, there would be a way to force
to server to use IP instead of hostname.


Thank you !
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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:40:03 +0700
From: Mikhail Gusarov <dottedmag at dottedmag.net>
Subject: Re: error while running Xorg on ARM platform
To: xorg at freedesktop.org
Message-ID: <8763roi9bg.fsf at frontier.dottedmag.net>
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Twas brillig at 06:34:34 02.07.2008 UTC+00 when eng_azza_kamal at hotmail.com did gyre and gimble:

 AK> The Xorg version that I used is 6.8.2.

Please use something recent - there are lots of bugs nobody can remember
in such ancient versions as 6.8.*.

 AK> Have any one succeeded in cross compiling Xorg6.8.2 successfully
 AK> before and run it on his target board.  If so can he please send me
 AK> that successful sccenario.

Have a look at build recipies in OpenEmbedded
(http://openembedded.org/), but I suppose they migrated to newer
versions long ago.

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Message: 9
Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2008 08:54:25 -0700
From: Alan Coopersmith <Alan.Coopersmith at Sun.COM>
Subject: Re: Further notes on 7.4
To: R?mi Cardona <remi at gentoo.org>
Cc: xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
Message-ID: <486BA4B1.1070209 at sun.com>
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R?mi Cardona wrote:
> Is there anyone out there on "recent" systems that doesn't use Xorg 
> libraries? I mean, even OSX ships Xorg Xlib (with .pc files). I'm not 
> sure about Solaris, with their Xsun server, if it had its own 
> implementation of the client-side libs... has this changed with recent 
> Solaris versions?

Solaris always used sources based on the X11 releases - while our X client
libraries are mostly based on X11R6.4/6.6 in Solaris 8, 9, & 10, we're in
the process of replacing them all with the current X11R7.x versions for
OpenSolaris and the next release of Solaris.

So for us, like for most Linux/BSD distros, you can count on pkg-config if
you ride the cutting edge, but still need to handle other methods of finding
X libraries on older/stable/enterprise/long-term-supported, but still widely
used versions.

-- 
	-Alan Coopersmith-           alan.coopersmith at sun.com
	 Sun Microsystems, Inc. - X Window System Engineering



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Message: 10
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 18:52:07 +0300
From: Fatih A??c? <fatih at pardus.org.tr>
Subject: Re: [announce] libdrm 2.3.1
To: xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
Cc: dri-devel <dri-devel at lists.sourceforge.net>,	xorg announce
	<xorg-announce at lists.freedesktop.org>
Message-ID: <200807021852.07949.fatih at pardus.org.tr>
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01 Tem 2008 Sal tarihinde, Dave Airlie ?unlar? yazm??t?: 
> Update libdrm to 2.3.1.

These archives do not include xf86mm.h ?


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Message: 11
Date: Wed, 2 Jul 2008 17:55:29 +0200
From: Joerg Sonnenberger <joerg at britannica.bec.de>
Subject: Re: Further notes on 7.4
To: xorg at lists.freedesktop.org
Message-ID: <20080702155529.GA13207 at britannica.bec.de>
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On Wed, Jul 02, 2008 at 05:11:10PM +0200, R?mi Cardona wrote:
> Would it be advisable to tell all those packages to use only pkg-config, 
> ie through a formal deprecation of the AC_PATH_X macros?

It is already a major PITA that software started to assume that
everything has .pc files. Don't make it worse please.

Joerg


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