Responding inline. On Jul 17, 2011 9:38 AM, "David Jackson" <<a href="mailto:djackson452@gmail.com">djackson452@gmail.com</a>> wrote: > > You are making assumptions, that no company will ever produce a hardware device that has a monochrome screen. Yet, a monochrome screen would be suitable for ereader devices such as a kindle. No such assumption was made; Xorg still supports low color depths. > As for code, memory today is cheap. I've looked closely at X memory useage and it seems from what i can see anyway that X server code consumes less than 10 MB, with all of the compability infrastructure. Maintaining code for compatability and backwards compatability has value greater than saving some kilobytes or a megabyte in the age of hundreds or thousands of megabytes. Yes, we know. Only a few of us have been pursuing lower memory footprints... > If a handheld device manufacturer has very limited memory to work with, maybe they could do their own custom compile X, if necessary, without some sections of code. But I am doubtful that will often be the case that this is necessary. But, for a desktop system today, it simply does not make sense whatsoever, the backwards compatability with older X applications is far more valuable. ...and those guys work for Nokia. Nokia, of course, is the cell phone manufacturer which put Xorg on some of their phones. > Ive been using X since the days of 90 MB of RAM. X memory usage has never been a big issue, the idea that X, including code for backwards compatability, uses a lot of RAM is an old lie that refuses to die. Blowing up baclwards compatability to save a megabyte or 2 of RAM makes no sense whatsoever. We aren't claiming this at all. > On Sun, Jul 17, 2011 at 2:33 AM, Alan Coopersmith <<a href="mailto:alan.coopersmith@oracle.com">alan.coopersmith@oracle.com</a>> wrote: >> >> On 07/16/11 06:43 PM, David Jackson wrote: >> > Has the X.org organisation ever thought of promoting X.org for use by companies >> > on thier handheld devices such as phones? >> >> You mean like back in the days when Jim Gettys was one of the leaders of >> <a href="http://handhelds.org">handhelds.org</a> and doing research at the Compaq/HP labs on the iPaq? >> Yes, I think there might have been a bit of thinking, especially when they >> hosted the X.org Developers Conference there - as hard as it is for some >> people to believe we ever do any thinking here. >> >> Or perhaps you mean the last couple of years, when Nokia's (now Intel's) >> Meego developers have been one of the major contributors to X.Org. >> >> > Years ago, in their infinite wisdom, X.org developers removed monochrome >> > support and low colour support, >> >> Nope, sadly, both are still there, though I think the mobile developers like >> those on the Meego project wish we'd dump more code like that which just >> bloats their embedded systems, since no one wants to browse the web or play >> Angry Birds on 1, 4, or 8 bit screens. >> >> -- >> -Alan Coopersmith- <a href="mailto:alan.coopersmith@oracle.com">alan.coopersmith@oracle.com</a> >> Oracle Solaris Platform Engineering: X Window System >> > > > _______________________________________________ > <a href="mailto:xorg@lists.freedesktop.org">xorg@lists.freedesktop.org</a>: X.Org support > Archives: <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg">http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/xorg</a> > Info: <a href="http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg">http://lists.freedesktop.org/mailman/listinfo/xorg</a> > Your subscription address: <a href="mailto:mostawesomedude@gmail.com">mostawesomedude@gmail.com</a>