<!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0//EN" "http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40/strict.dtd"> <html><head><meta name="qrichtext" content="1" /><style type="text/css"> p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; } </style></head><body style=" font-family:'Sans Serif'; font-size:12pt; font-weight:400; font-style:normal;"> On Sunday 01 June 2008 07:56:49 Marius Gedminas wrote: > Somewhat tangentially to the colour management discussing currently > going on: My desktop spans two different monitors (laptop's internal LCD > + an external monitor). These two monitors show the same RGB values > differently. What needs to be done to have applications look the same > on either monitor? What about windows spanning both monitors? > > Could this be an argument for the composition manager to handle > color-space conversion, at least in some cases? Figuring out which parts > of which widgets fall on which monitor might be a bit too much of a > complexity to require from the toolkits and applications. > > Or is this use-case unreasonably hard to support? I also wonder about > clone modes. > > Marius Gedminas This can be a fairly "simple" calibration issue if your video drivers support the nessary features. The monitors need to be setup with the same: White point black point white level black level gamma If you have a basic X11 setup that supports setting per device video card gamma tables and you have a supported measurement device this can be done with a little effort and once setup is not hard to support and maintain but the initial calibration can take a little effort. With two monitors it is almost imposible to get all of the above calibration points the same on both devices. For example on LCDs you can not adjust the black level or black point but all CRTs allow for adjusting the black level and some allow adjusting the black point. But even with these limtations it is possible to get things "close enough" with the video card gamma table taking care of what ever can;t be handled via the monitor controls. But keep in mind that the laptop LCD probably has few if any adjustments and this will affect how close of a match is possible. Setups that are known to work: Nvidia driver one card two monitors (perhaps other drivers as well but I don't know this for sure) using xinerama Setups with two video cards using xinerama Setups known not to work: Drivers using MergeFB Nvidia twinview setups Problematic setups: The ATI blob uses a non-standard API for setting video card gamma talbles (why?). This is supported by xcalib but you must build a special version that is then specific to these cards. There are reports that the video card gamma API in XRandR 1.2 has some issues with correctly retrieving the gamma tables (it returns all zeros) at least with the Intel drivers. Other XRandR 1.2 capable drivers are currently untested as far as I know. Also none of the currently release software in this area has XRandR 1.2 support but work is now underway to add this. The least costly measurement device for this is the X-Rite Huey and those who are using it are happy with the device. If you shop around the net these can be had for about $50 plus shipping (you will find a ton of these on ebay). The difference between the stock Huey and the Huey Pro is software and you will not be able to use the software that is shipped with the device so don't spend the extra $ on a Huey Pro. The best available software at this point is ArgyllCMS 0.70Beta8. It will take you a while to learn the software and to understand how this all fits together but it is possible to get two monitors to be a very close match. After the initial calibration effort you will probably want to recalibrate perhaps once or twice a month to keep things close to your calibration goals. The inital calibration will involve making fairly large adjustments to the devices and will take some time to get right. Recalibration will be much quicker since these will amout to fine tuning for the devices drift. CRTs generally have more drift than do LCDs and will need recalibration more often. I am currently running a Samsung 245BW and a Dell that is based on the Sony G520. One is a LCD and the other is a CRT and with a little effort these are now very well matched but overall the CRT (at leat this one) has better color characteristics than the LCD (for example the per channel gammas are much better matched and the white and black points are very well matched). To sum up. With a small investment in hardware and a little effort this can be done if you have X11 drivers and an X11 configuration that supports setting per device gamma tables. Hal</body></html>