<div class="gmail_quote">On Dec 11, 2007 4:41 PM, Christoph Brill <<a href="mailto:egore@gmx.de">egore@gmx.de</a>> wrote: <blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> Am Dienstag, den 11.12.2007, 16:32 -0500 schrieb Jon Grosshart: <div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c">> Greets all. I'm interested in whipping this page into shape. > > <a href="http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Releases/ModuleVersions" target="_blank"> http://wiki.x.org/wiki/Releases/ModuleVersions</a> > > It hasn't been updated for 7.3 and if you compare what IS listed > there, it doesn't jive with what tarballs can be found at: > > hxxp://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.{1,2} > > For instance, xf86-video-wsfb... What's up with this guy? It's listed > as a part of 7.2 on the wiki but is no where to be found in > <a href="http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.2/src/driver/" target="_blank"> http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.2/src/driver/</a> . It's not > even in everything/. So either someone forgot to upload it to the > driver/ directory or the wiki is wrong. It is in individual/ but that > doesn't do anyone any good. I'm seeing MANY discrepancies like this > and want to fix them. I have no control over mistakes on the download > server but can fix the wiki. > > So.. this leads me to ask, where is THE definitive source for > determining what modules are supposed to be included with what release > versions? Thus far, with the switch to modular X, I've been solely > relying on proper tarball documentation and uploading to > hxxp://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/$VERSION/src/ which doesn't > appear to be happening 100% of the time. > > On a related note, I'm not sure what's up with xf86-video-i810 in > 7.3... If it was dropped or possibly even merged with > xf86-video-intel, then why isn't it listed in > <a href="http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.3/src/deprecated/" target="_blank">http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/X11R7.3/src/deprecated/ </a> ? > > I haven't enough time to subscribe to the mailing list and keep up on > every aspect of Xorg development in order to know what is going on > with every module in every release. That would be insane IMO. > > Excuse me if I'm overlooking the obvious on how to determine module > versions that are supposed to be matched with release versions. > Someone previously told me on this list it wasn't exactly rocket > science, but I beg to differ. The apparent discrepancies on the > freedesktop server are frustrating to say the least. Months ago, I > found a driver module listed in another directory entirely; lib maybe > (which I posted about here and the module was eventually removed). > > If checking the release directories is indeed the proper way to go > about getting the correct source for an Xorg build (I don't use git at > all), then we really need some consistency in that regard as far as > organization and documentation on the official release download > server. Once that happens, updating the wiki should be relatively > painless and will provide an accurate list of what is included with > each release version. > > Jon </div></div>Wouldn't it make sense to autogenerate this page? One could write a simple PHP/Perl/Python/SH/whatever script to generate this page on the fly or at release time. This way noone would have to keep this page up to date (which IMO is just a huge amout of useless work since most packages just jump into <a href="http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/" target="_blank">http://xorg.freedesktop.org/releases/</a> and grab all the exciting stuff from there). </blockquote></div> It would, and that's exactly what I do on my own end, but without something to refer to, where do you pull your info from? Therin lies the problem. I have a script that auto generates a list of packages and their version numbers intended for whatever $VERSION I specify, but it keeps breaking at worst and is inaccurate at best due to the lack of organization on the download server (that's where I get my info from :-). Saying that the wiki page is useless is rubbish. Proper documentation is key to understanding what is going on. IMO, that's probably THE MOST IMPORTANT page on the wiki... :-) So again... If the wiki is wrong and/or individual developers 'forget' to upload their tarball to the server, where do you start? Who do you believe? I'm certainly not psychic and as I've stated, I don't have the time to know what's going on at all times with hundreds of packages... Ultimately, the wiki is unimportant, yes... I rely on what is listed on the release download server when I build and package Xorg. What I'm really pushing for is 100% accuracy with the releases/X11R7.?/src/ directories. Refer to xf86-video-i810 comment in my first post. Jon