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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>>"Scitech
isn't the solution to anyone else's problem.." </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>>"<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>Is that
clear enough?"</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>yes sir, its clear,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>that YOU *dont think* that it is solution to
<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=3>*anyone else's problem*... <FONT face=Arial
size=2>i guess, we'll see...</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>im not here to argue with people that dont agree
with me, im here to FIND people that do agree with me</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i got more that 50 e-mails, people wanna do
all kind of projects with OpenGL, and X does stand in a way for some of those,
not because its bad, but becuse of size, because of all the trouble to setup and
make it work with OpenGL... </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>they all, in a
way, say:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"holy cow, why didnt i know about this
before!"</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>anyway,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>nothing else need to be said, you have your opinion
and you did answer most of my questions - thanks, on the other hand i did my job
of "sharing the data" and whoever stumbles across these posts and NEED HELP, im
always happy to SHARE THE DATA, and </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>can find me
here:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><EM>Linux based OpenGL development system without
X</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A
href="http://one.xthost.info/zelko/opengl.html"><EM>http://one.xthost.info/zelko/opengl.html</EM></A></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>zelko</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>p.s.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>if you have simple project that already uses OpenGL
for drawing or you would like to 'convert' some program to OpenGL, you can use
myOS and as soon as you burn the iso you will have complete development
environment READY and you can start coding in few secends that it
takes to boot, without the need to setup, configure or install enything
else!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>you can do it yourself, its EASY, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>but, you also can ask me for
HELP,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hell, i wouldnt mind converting your program
myself if i can...</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>convering GLUT OpenGL code to MGL OpenGL is a
matter of COPY & PASTE... too easy!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>something like this is very welcome, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* game, demo</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* text-editor</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* web-browser</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* avi/mpg player</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* modeling/animation tools</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>* whatever other crazy or useful thing you can
think of</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2>* critique, suggestions,
comments, ideas...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>by the way, for all other OpenGL enthusiasts out there, beside Red-Book
collection that is included in myOS i have other bigger collection of
more than 100 other OpenGL demos from all around the internet, including NeHe...
since this WORKS on EVERY LINUX, i believe its a nice, 'accesible' way to
promote OpenGL on Linux and showcase your demo</DIV>
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<DIV>share the data!</DIV>
<DIV><A
href="http://youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4">http://youtube.com/watch?v=EwL0G9wK8j4</A></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=airlied@gmail.com href="mailto:airlied@gmail.com">Dave Airlie</A>
</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=zelco@xtra.co.nz
href="mailto:zelco@xtra.co.nz">ZeAtShuttle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=j.glisse@gmail.com
href="mailto:j.glisse@gmail.com">Jerome Glisse</A> ; <A
title=xorg@lists.freedesktop.org
href="mailto:xorg@lists.freedesktop.org">xorg@lists.freedesktop.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, April 19, 2007 4:10
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Khronos group, OpenGL
ES/miniglx/EGL?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR></DIV>><BR>> why do i feel im not welcome
here?<BR>> do you suggest that my questions are not appropriate
here?<BR>> i maybe have failed to read some 'rules', please
advise?<BR><BR>><BR>> >"..also look at all previous attempts to get
rid off X, i am confident we<BR>> can say they all failed."<BR>><BR>>
im sorry, you dont seem to understand, its about *embedded* window
system,<BR>> there is no embedded X, even less OpenGL based one, so its
clear - i want to<BR>> produce, not replace or 'get rid off'<BR><BR>There
is lots of embedded X, what do you think the N800, back to the<BR>Digital IPAQ
are running?.. there is also the twin project which is<BR>being used to do a
bootloader which is an embedded windowing system...<BR><BR>Miniglx and EGL are
the two project that are trying to do a HW<BR>accelerated open source GL stack
with out X, we don't have driver for<BR>many cards that support these, and
there is a lot of other work to be<BR>done around card setup before this can
happen. Miniglx is considered a<BR>hack and *embedded* people use it where
they know what graphics chip<BR>they want to use...<BR><BR>><BR>> how do
i:<BR>> - talk to this Linux community?<BR>> - find if im not trying to
do what already has been done?<BR>> - gather people to work on a
project?<BR>> - find about project and join/help some project?<BR><BR>You
are talking, listening you need to do more off, it hasn't been<BR>done, people
won't just work on your project because you ask people<BR>will work on what
they want to work on and if benefits you so be<BR>in....<BR><BR><BR>> now,
if you would rather people use EGL that has ".. been in limbo for a<BR>>
while"<BR>> or<BR>> use miniglx which ".. is a hack. It filled a
specific need when it was<BR>> created.."<BR>><BR>><BR>> than ok,
but if you dont want to re-write what has already been<BR>>
written(possibly better) than im happy i could have helped by making it
EASY<BR>> for others to SEE, experiment and then decide if its worth using
or not<BR>><BR>> i can not SEE how EGL, miniglx, fbdev/dri works, it has
not been made easy,<BR>> and therefore i've come here to ask for help,
which i, kind of regret, as<BR>> people are so keen to jump and say how my
project sucks and is not "real<BR>> work"<BR>><BR>> if someone did
this 3 years ago, EVERYTHING could have been different, maybe<BR>> quite a
bit actually, just how many people "wasted" their time to "come up"<BR>>
with something that was long ago written and was only a mouse click
away?<BR>> i've learned this lesson long time ago - 1st find whats best on
the net,<BR>> then try to do it better, otherwise you would likely be
wasting your time..<BR><BR>Scitech isn't the solution to anyone else's problem
it may be the<BR>solution to your problem in which case well done you've found
a<BR>solution but I don't think anyone here is going to put resources
into<BR>Scitech software which from the source I can read is sw rendered
GL,<BR>I've even downloaded it to find that out. EGL is something that
will<BR>probably be off use in the future but it will not run on all the
GPUs<BR>available each open source supported GPU driver needs to be ported
to<BR>the EGL system, and this requires major changes to the Linux
kernel<BR>and Mesa, until these changes are done you probably cannot use EGL
for<BR>your project, these changes are not being done to any
timescale,<BR>people work on them whenever they want and your project will not
hurry<BR>those ppl along..<BR><BR>Is that clear
enough?<BR><BR>Dave.<BR><BR><BR>-- <BR>No virus found in this incoming
message.<BR>Checked by AVG Free Edition.<BR>Version: 7.5.446 / Virus Database:
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