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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>hi,</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>>"They talk about LGPL there, but when i
downloaded a few files from.."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>yes, thats 2003 article, i gave that link as it
explains they proposal back then,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>now as much as i have figure it out by reading past
post is that they were thinking of LGPL or even have relesed it for some
period of time.. but as LGPL would allow companies to take from and not need
return to community, it was decided to be GPL for the best interest of all,
and as much as i understand these licences - they did the right
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>>" but it seems they don't release any source
for the card drivers."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>im not sure what you looking for, but i know this -
you download source, unpack, type 'make' or whatever and it compiles into some
binary files, one of which ogl driver, say 'ogl-driver.drv' its 800kb and
its all you need to run OpenGL app, i mean you can delete the whole file system,
just leave the driver and app will run! </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>do you maybe ask if there is possibility that "card
driver", as you call it, might be some binary file hiden somewhere in
the source and merged to driver file at compile time?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>i have no idea, i wouldnt think so, i dont know
what card info would they have to hide, they pretty much worked things out from
the Mesa and what specs nVidia/ATI provided to accelerate it...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>maybe there isnt any 3D hardware acceleration, i just dont know, but hell,
looking at the FPS it darn good software one at least, who knows? they mention
HW acceleration quite a lot on their web-site, as i understand it works great
for DOS, even DirectX, and what i read there, the stuff on Linux should be
accelerated to some degree, ive tested it on 5 different cards
nVidia/ATI, where some older cards work better than some brand new and with
glgears i get from 120 - 450 FPS, i would have been happy with 30</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>im making a game with this as well "Metal Gear
Solid" - like, well above 60 FPS(no textures tho), im amazed what can be done it
reminds me of time when OpenGL just becam available for programes, first working
3dfx Voodoo OpenGL (Mesa) drivers... with a little imagination a lot can be
done...</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>cheers,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>zeljko</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>From: "Russell Shaw" <</FONT><A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cc: <</FONT><A
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sent: Wednesday, April 18, 2007 4:17
PM</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Subject: Re: Mini-Compiz on Miniature Linux/OpenGL
(embedded 3Dwindow system)</FONT></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><BR><FONT size=2></FONT></FONT></DIV><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> ZeAtShuttle wrote:<BR>>> hi,<BR>>>
<BR>>> > I can pretty much assume Scitech is *SOFTWARE* OpenGL,
this is no use<BR>>> > as you've found so you've got something
small but quite useless for<BR>>> > actual real work, so you
really haven't got something at all...<BR>>> huh.. thanks? dont know what
to say..<BR>>> why do you jump to assumption just to say that something
sucks?<BR>>> <BR>>> have a look at this:<BR>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/index.html"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/index.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>> <BR>>> Uses SNAP graphics technology from SciTech
Software <BR>>> <</FONT><A href="http://www.scitechsoft.com/"><FONT
face=Arial size=2>http://www.scitechsoft.com/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> instead of X11.<BR>>> # Graphics throughput is 17% faster than
Microsoft Windows <BR>>> <</FONT><A
href="http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/benchmarks.html"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/benchmarks.html</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> and /at least/ 25% <BR>>> faster than X11 <</FONT><A
href="http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/benchmarks.html"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.rocklyte.com/athene/benchmarks.html</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial
size=2>>.<BR>>> # Fast booting - between 5 and 10 seconds on modern
hardware.<BR>>> ...<BR>>> <BR>>> hows that for "quite
useless for actual real work", what say you?<BR>>>
<BR>>> <BR>>> i thought effort in that direction would be
welcome and that there are <BR>>> some alternatives, but miniglx seem to
be abandoned in favor of EGL and <BR>>> EGL doesnt really exist, or what
Brian would say -<BR>>> ".. been in limbo for a while"<BR>>>
or<BR>>> "Mini GLX is a hack. It filled a specific need when it was
created but<BR>>> I'm not sure it's an appropriate base for large
projects."<BR>>> <BR>>> and i just hoped that EGL effort has
moved to yet some other project, so <BR>>> my main question really boils
down to:<BR>>> <BR>>> is there anything better than scitech at
this moment?<BR>>> <BR>>> <BR>>>
or<BR>>> <BR>>> is there an -active- project with a goal of
making windowing system with <BR>>> OpenGL as primary graphic API - X
built with OpenGL not requirement for it?<BR>>> <BR>>>
<BR>>> i have searched for previous mention of it, and all i figure out is
that <BR>>> it miniglx/EGX -> xgl/xegl were supposed to be "base" for
it, but has <BR>>> everyone abandoned these projects?<BR>>>
<BR>>> would it not be easier to 'convert' X to OpenGL if it was not
<BR>>> requirement to use OpenGL?<BR>>> <BR>>> would it
not be easier to make OpenGL drivers if they were not "bundled" <BR>>>
with X, for Open Source as well as for ATI/nVidia?<BR>>>
<BR>>> <BR>>> SciTech did it quite nicely, and I believe they
do have solution to <BR>>> "device driver crisis", just like they did once
before with VESA..<BR>>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4396090607.html"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.linuxdevices.com/articles/AT4396090607.html</FONT></A><BR><FONT
face=Arial size=2>> <BR>> They talk about LPGL there, but when i
downloaded a few files from<BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.scitechsoft.com/ftp/devel/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.scitechsoft.com/ftp/devel/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> <BR>> the LICENSE.FAQ contains GPL and explicit denial of
LGPL.<BR>> <BR>>> btw, i couldnt care less for scitech except that im
thankful they did <BR>>> OpenGL thing and released it GPL, but did i
mention that these are not <BR>>> just graphic OpenGL-MGL drivers,
its a 'technology' - SNAP.. complete <BR>>> i/o, interrupt and other
device drivers, ALL you need to build complete <BR>>> OS or app like X..
its really compact, it works and its all <BR>>> Plug'n'Play... (OpenGL
driver is single file, 800kb)<BR>>> how many companies are doing/have done
this much for the Open software <BR>>> and improving/unifying graphic
standrds, how come no one is using <BR>>> scitech now, why no one even
wants to consider to have a look at it?<BR>> <BR>> I downloaded a few
files from<BR>> <BR>> </FONT><A
href="http://www.scitechsoft.com/ftp/devel/"><FONT face=Arial
size=2>http://www.scitechsoft.com/ftp/devel/</FONT></A><BR><FONT face=Arial
size=2>> <BR>> but it seems they don't release any source for the card
drivers.<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> xorg
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